Jared
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Post by Jared on Mar 25, 2016 19:27:01 GMT -6
As a matter of fact Ed, I saw a post earlier about cooling baffles that you mentioned pics of "Blueberry's" tins on that website. I haven't looked through the whole thing yet, but boy was I happy to see it, some more motivation!!!
Pm me info on that project. I can't do much at the moment, but if it is the right price, I could do something in a few months possibly.
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Post by Supervee on Mar 27, 2016 7:20:54 GMT -6
O.K.,, I have tons of footage, mostly all raw, so clips would have to be edited….What i can send is what is not copyrited by anyone. Warning, there are dull parts in these videos that would have to be skipped over. Also, some of the footage is hard to see, the racecourse is way far away… I imagine small clips could be processed and put on you tube. I also have tho Point 5 production video that we had professionally made to promote formula Vee to airshow people…..E-mail me as to where to send this to….Ed
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Post by dmar836 on Mar 27, 2016 11:42:04 GMT -6
I contacted you yesterday via email. Dave.
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Post by chuckerf14 on Apr 11, 2016 18:40:30 GMT -6
I think we need to cast the largest net possible. I would propose the following format:
All SV racers must have a minimum wing area (75 sq-ft?) Maximum displacement = 2400cc No restriction on aspiration Everyone flies trials laps Based on trials seeding we fly heat races with fastest to slowest trial times evenly distributed (not grouped) Then fly the final races with the top finishers in the following classifications:
Unlimited 2180 and below normally aspirated 1600 normally aspirated Wing area 84 sq-ft or greater
For out-and-back racing, we could group the flights by classification to keep things interesting.
Everyone can race (minimum 6g designs for pylon racing).
If participation grows, the heat races could get very interesting with multiple battles occurring simultaneously between pairs of aircraft from the same class fighting to make it to their finals race.
Forgive me if this has already been discussed and/or decided.
Chucker
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Post by Supervee on Apr 11, 2016 18:48:08 GMT -6
Chucker, I have a friend who is a Supervee member who is going over my preliminary rules package. Most of what you brought up has been sorted thru a bit, but you have some good ideas. When we get the prelim. rules cleaned up, I will send out sets to race number holders. Much of the airframe rules are from the FV days, such as the 75 sq ft requirement. My goal is to walk before running. A couple seasons of Challenge straight line competitions, and outback races will pave the way for a return to pylon events.
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Post by dmar836 on Apr 11, 2016 20:07:30 GMT -6
Another maybe strange idea is a sort of "time trials reporting" contest. I did a model airplane contest with others from all over the world - best time of three flights but had to be declared official before you did the three flights - no do-overs and no picking and choosing once started, just the best of those three. A several week date range to do it was chosen. It's an honor system but could allow us to have "reportable contests". BTW, I won! If people cheat to win, you just can't stop that. Meet races would eventually out them. I'm not sure exactly how we could adjust reported times for reported density altitude in respective areas but I'm sure it could be calculated fairly easily. Set a date range, a distance out and back, enroll participants, require some form of documentation, perhaps require a ground timer, and require times and a story to be submitted by a closing date. Sounds kinda silly but when it's difficult to get people across the country it can get us competing and encourage activity. Could be a "Speed Dash" in our list of types of races. Dave
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Post by chuckerf14 on Apr 11, 2016 22:08:35 GMT -6
Without spectators, we could all race at the same density altitude. Put 29.92 in your altimeter and fly the race at a prescribed altitude.
We could also fly long distance races that would pit fuel economy against all out speed. Limit the fuel (at engine start on each leg) to 10 gallons and allow contestant to plot any 500 mile closed course back to their start airport. For safety, require 30 minute reserve fuel (FAR min) on every leg. It may be more interesting than WOT from point A to point B. It also takes a bite out of the big engine advantage.
As long as we don't worry about who's cheating, we can have a lot of fun with this....and have an awards fly-in at the end of the season.
As you said, activity will breed activity.
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Post by chuckerf14 on Apr 11, 2016 22:15:03 GMT -6
Maybe someone can write an application that uses gps data to score our races. Once you login you are committed. The application plots location and time whenever you exceed 40 mph. Ground time will not count against you. The only part of the honor system required is the fuel in your tank at engine start.
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Post by dmar836 on Apr 11, 2016 23:07:30 GMT -6
I figured there would be more than just DA but that would be the main adjustment. The GPS track might be cool. We could also submit screen shots of routes.
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Post by chuckerf14 on Apr 11, 2016 23:41:24 GMT -6
They have personal tracking devices that record location and time. Contestants could check-out a device from the race committee for a small entry fee. Then all tracks and times would be official.
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Post by dmar836 on Apr 12, 2016 4:28:31 GMT -6
Sounds good but may be getting ahead a bit of the SV budget and management. Still ideas flowing is good! Dave
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Post by Supervee on Apr 12, 2016 5:02:37 GMT -6
All good discussion…This is what Supervee needs, Lively discussion and thought about what to do, and how to do it. The idea of an 'at home' time trial, that goes into an official list, is a good one….Going to a Supervee with a 'run what ya brung' attitude can be backed up with a qualifying video, that proved that to 'get here' you already proved the speed of your machine.. We must also realize, as Dave said, we can't get ahead of the budget and volunteer effort requirements, and of course, we need to be honest in a sportsman like manner. I 'invented' the 'Challenge Competition' and the 'Outback XC Competition' as a start up, entry level pair of competitions to begin this whole thing. Other competitions can, and should, be included, with the ultimate goal of eventual sanctioned, Closed-course Pylon racing…...
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Post by dmar836 on Apr 12, 2016 5:23:07 GMT -6
We'd also have to convince ourselves that such "honesty" trials would be logged as if you were performing at a meet. If not, few would want to reveal the capability of their mount. When the time comes, I hope there are plenty of mentors in the group to host some seminars on formation flying etc. fat, dumb, happy, and cocky is no way to race. I have a buddy that was in the US aerobatic team who has agreed to teach us vintage plane guys more about formation flying, escape routes, etc. but I would gladly accept more from racers. Dave
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Post by Supervee on Apr 12, 2016 6:10:53 GMT -6
Yes, Conduct…Rules of Passing, etc, etc, this is all what a Supervee Technical team would cover. This is why I said before, that it takes at least 12 to 15 people to put on even the smallest event….The actual Pilots of the aircraft is a small number as compared to the crew that makes happen…So thus, we need to entice the technical and officiating side of the sport, and these volunteers need to be enjoying what they are doing... When I started prepping to race formula one, My mentor was the late Chuck Andrews, and he gave me insight as to what to expect on the racecourse, Passing, prop wash, etc. I think the first couple Supervee events will be demo and training based, not actual competition. What worked well for FV in the 1996/2000 era is the Seymour, Indiana practice sessions. We have two airports right now that have indicated that they would be a host airport for such activities….
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Post by Supervee on Apr 14, 2016 5:08:41 GMT -6
This is good news….last night I found the latest issued engine rules set from the FV days…It was dated 1995, and is written for the 1600 c.c. FV class. I needed this documentation to add to the supervee Air Sports rules package, because our 'FV' division will use these rules, other than the fact that I will open it up to 1700 c.c. as well… Supervee member and Pietenpol builder Jack Fastnaught has my rules documents, and is re-typing everything to get it tidied up before I have a batch printed…..
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